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		<title>By: How Bartlet made a smart idealist &#124; importance of ideas...</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Bartlet made a smart idealist &#124; importance of ideas...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Filtering wrap up: Ludlam will push on in February, The Devil Within - Somebody Think Of The Children</title>
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		<dc:creator>Filtering wrap up: Ludlam will push on in February, The Devil Within - Somebody Think Of The Children</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Porno at risk from Rev Lovejoy! by Jason Whittaker @ the importance of ideas… [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Noam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kind of facist state is Labor trying to inflict upon us?? Is it not enough that they take away our freedom to promote individual liberty and enterprise - now that wish to control our thoughts and pleasures as well. What does the Left fear from the free and open society that dishonestly say they espouse? Or is it simply a case of free speech is fine - as long as it is what they say...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of facist state is Labor trying to inflict upon us?? Is it not enough that they take away our freedom to promote individual liberty and enterprise &#8211; now that wish to control our thoughts and pleasures as well. What does the Left fear from the free and open society that dishonestly say they espouse? Or is it simply a case of free speech is fine &#8211; as long as it is what they say&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How different is pornography from another form of mainstream entertainment media, say films for example?

People act in them, they get paid, they choose the part they play - they make their living by doing it.

And consumers will either choose to pay for it, or obtain it for free on the Internet via backdoor means.

I agree with the previous comments that not all pornography is exploitative, particularly professional/amateur &quot;home-made&quot; porn - these people are willing to be in the position that they are, pardon the pun but that&#039;s the reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How different is pornography from another form of mainstream entertainment media, say films for example?</p>
<p>People act in them, they get paid, they choose the part they play &#8211; they make their living by doing it.</p>
<p>And consumers will either choose to pay for it, or obtain it for free on the Internet via backdoor means.</p>
<p>I agree with the previous comments that not all pornography is exploitative, particularly professional/amateur &#8220;home-made&#8221; porn &#8211; these people are willing to be in the position that they are, pardon the pun but that&#8217;s the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara: porn is not totally free from abuse, sure, but not all porn is laden with abuse and exploitation. Especially in more recent years, there&#039;s been a growth of porn that&#039;s non-exploitative, respects everyone involved, doesn&#039;t dehumanise everyone. Heck, there&#039;s even a rise in amateur porn, made by the &quot;stars&quot; themselves. It&#039;s not all about the stereotypes.

Yes, the sex industry has plenty of problems, but they&#039;re not problems exclusive to the sex industry. Exploitation and dehumanisation happens everywhere. We need to work on eliminating exploitation as a whole - not singling out one industry as a scapegoat.

Same thing with this filter. This doesn&#039;t actually do anything about child porn - which is inherently exploitative as there&#039;s no consent anywhere and the kids can&#039;t hardly understand what they&#039;ve been sucked into. It&#039;s reactive rather than proactive. You want to stop child porn? GO AFTER THE DAMN PRODUCERS. And then educate families, communities, schools, peers, EVERYONE about Internet safety, dealing with people, about respecting yourselves and knowing that you have the right to say &quot;No&quot;. A lot of issues come up due to people&#039;s reluctance to talk about sexuality and all the mixed messages it brings. What happened to respecting your body and knowing that you have the power to decide what people do or don&#039;t do to you? What happened to actually taking reports of abuse seriously, instead of going &quot;oh well you asked for it&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara: porn is not totally free from abuse, sure, but not all porn is laden with abuse and exploitation. Especially in more recent years, there&#8217;s been a growth of porn that&#8217;s non-exploitative, respects everyone involved, doesn&#8217;t dehumanise everyone. Heck, there&#8217;s even a rise in amateur porn, made by the &#8220;stars&#8221; themselves. It&#8217;s not all about the stereotypes.</p>
<p>Yes, the sex industry has plenty of problems, but they&#8217;re not problems exclusive to the sex industry. Exploitation and dehumanisation happens everywhere. We need to work on eliminating exploitation as a whole &#8211; not singling out one industry as a scapegoat.</p>
<p>Same thing with this filter. This doesn&#8217;t actually do anything about child porn &#8211; which is inherently exploitative as there&#8217;s no consent anywhere and the kids can&#8217;t hardly understand what they&#8217;ve been sucked into. It&#8217;s reactive rather than proactive. You want to stop child porn? GO AFTER THE DAMN PRODUCERS. And then educate families, communities, schools, peers, EVERYONE about Internet safety, dealing with people, about respecting yourselves and knowing that you have the right to say &#8220;No&#8221;. A lot of issues come up due to people&#8217;s reluctance to talk about sexuality and all the mixed messages it brings. What happened to respecting your body and knowing that you have the power to decide what people do or don&#8217;t do to you? What happened to actually taking reports of abuse seriously, instead of going &#8220;oh well you asked for it&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Whittaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Whittaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy to put cleverness and jokes aside, because the point still stands.

Freedom of speech is an open licence, indeed.  When we don&#039;t like it we can tune it out.  And when it defames or abuses people we can charge them under the law.

I&#039;m not about to defend everything on the internet, nobody is. Some of it is vile, some of it is dehumanising and debasing and illegal. But you know what, better it IS on the internet because it will be much easier to uncover pedophilia and other illegal activity while it is in the public domain and not underground. And if parents are worried their children are accessing material they shouldn&#039;t then they should be parents and monitor internet use. This is not an excuse for bad parenting.

Is promoting dehumanisation and debasement the price we have to pay for freedom of speech? Yes. Simple as that. Because we CANNOT draw the line based on individual moral preference. State censorship is the most immoral thing imaginable.

As Helen Razor quoted: &quot;I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.&quot; So love the feedback! Thanks heaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy to put cleverness and jokes aside, because the point still stands.</p>
<p>Freedom of speech is an open licence, indeed.  When we don&#8217;t like it we can tune it out.  And when it defames or abuses people we can charge them under the law.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not about to defend everything on the internet, nobody is. Some of it is vile, some of it is dehumanising and debasing and illegal. But you know what, better it IS on the internet because it will be much easier to uncover pedophilia and other illegal activity while it is in the public domain and not underground. And if parents are worried their children are accessing material they shouldn&#8217;t then they should be parents and monitor internet use. This is not an excuse for bad parenting.</p>
<p>Is promoting dehumanisation and debasement the price we have to pay for freedom of speech? Yes. Simple as that. Because we CANNOT draw the line based on individual moral preference. State censorship is the most immoral thing imaginable.</p>
<p>As Helen Razor quoted: &#8220;I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.&#8221; So love the feedback! Thanks heaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Whittaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Whittaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 04:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cleverness and jokes aside, it has been said that &#039;pornography is the theory, abuse is the practice&#039;.  

Is freedom of speech an open licence to promote dehumanisation and debasement?  Do you really think that pornography plays no part in the abuse and damage done to the innocent?  

It&#039;s all fun and games till somebody loses an eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleverness and jokes aside, it has been said that &#8216;pornography is the theory, abuse is the practice&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Is freedom of speech an open licence to promote dehumanisation and debasement?  Do you really think that pornography plays no part in the abuse and damage done to the innocent?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all fun and games till somebody loses an eye.</p>
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