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		<title>By: For true Grace, nothing beats mags &#124; importance of ideas...</title>
		<link>http://importanceofideas.com/2009/04/07/google-should-search-for-solution-too/comment-page-1/#comment-3628</link>
		<dc:creator>For true Grace, nothing beats mags &#124; importance of ideas...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Punch no knockout for journalism &#124; importance of ideas...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Punch no knockout for journalism &#124; importance of ideas...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 04:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The root of the problem is hyper-concentration of media control in too few hands.
Information is power.  Control of the media delivers power. The likes of Murdoch harness that power to deliver &quot;outcomes&quot; for certain agenda.
Truth has virtually no part to play in that context.  Propaganda and distortion are rife in journalism.  The product is mostly crap, but that is deliberate it is not due to time or money constraints as many argue.  Good example, as someone else pointed out, is the huge loss-makers such as the New York Post and The Australian.  There is no drive by Murdoch to produce objective journalism, his drive is the appearance of influence and opinion control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The root of the problem is hyper-concentration of media control in too few hands.<br />
Information is power.  Control of the media delivers power. The likes of Murdoch harness that power to deliver &#8220;outcomes&#8221; for certain agenda.<br />
Truth has virtually no part to play in that context.  Propaganda and distortion are rife in journalism.  The product is mostly crap, but that is deliberate it is not due to time or money constraints as many argue.  Good example, as someone else pointed out, is the huge loss-makers such as the New York Post and The Australian.  There is no drive by Murdoch to produce objective journalism, his drive is the appearance of influence and opinion control.</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 01:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know i said this snarkily before, but curious what you think about this:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25422943-7582,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know i said this snarkily before, but curious what you think about this:<br />
<a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25422943-7582,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25422943-7582,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Whittaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Whittaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SpamDivides Long live the ABC, indeed.

But I don&#039;t believe I&#039;ve ever blamed the rise of the internet for the demise of some media companies. Quite the opposite. The internet is the most exciting thing to happen to news media in its history, and that companies haven&#039;t figured out how to fully harness it - and monetise it - is entirely their own fault. I&#039;ve been quite clear on that.

A tool as powerful as Google needs to be part of the solution. That was simply my point, against those who completely dismiss the idea that Google&#039;s influence is entirely positive and in no way negative. I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s the case.

Appreciate the feedback and please keep reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SpamDivides Long live the ABC, indeed.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve ever blamed the rise of the internet for the demise of some media companies. Quite the opposite. The internet is the most exciting thing to happen to news media in its history, and that companies haven&#8217;t figured out how to fully harness it &#8211; and monetise it &#8211; is entirely their own fault. I&#8217;ve been quite clear on that.</p>
<p>A tool as powerful as Google needs to be part of the solution. That was simply my point, against those who completely dismiss the idea that Google&#8217;s influence is entirely positive and in no way negative. I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s the case.</p>
<p>Appreciate the feedback and please keep reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Whittaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Whittaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Danu Poyner I like the idea of an iTunes model - linked in the previous post to former Time editor Walter Isaacson  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1877191,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussing the idea&lt;/a&gt; of some sort of Apple-like incremental pricing system for online articles.

Certainly agree Google is an incredible weapon for getting stuff out there and disseminating the journalism of the future. Regardless of whether it sees itself as a media company, I think the point is simply Google DOES have tremendous influence on where this is all going and can&#039;t wipe its hands of the debate or the legitimate question of what impact its aggregation services are having on how media companies will operate in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Danu Poyner I like the idea of an iTunes model &#8211; linked in the previous post to former Time editor Walter Isaacson  <a href="http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1877191,00.html" rel="nofollow">discussing the idea</a> of some sort of Apple-like incremental pricing system for online articles.</p>
<p>Certainly agree Google is an incredible weapon for getting stuff out there and disseminating the journalism of the future. Regardless of whether it sees itself as a media company, I think the point is simply Google DOES have tremendous influence on where this is all going and can&#8217;t wipe its hands of the debate or the legitimate question of what impact its aggregation services are having on how media companies will operate in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Danu Poyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danu Poyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post :)

It&#039;s interesting that so many people describe Google as a media company, including yourself. On the face of it, they appear to be and yet their executives have always said and continue to say that they are not and do not want to be a media company.

Rather than bicker about whether they are or not however, it might be useful to ask the question &#039;what is media today?&#039;

Google, in their eyes, are a technology company. Their mission is to organise the world&#039;s information and they&#039;re scarily good at it. In the world of search, people love having their content picked up by Google. Some people&#039;s entire livelihood depends on it.

I think the bigger trend/problem here is the decoupling of advertising as the main business model of journalism. Google&#039;s news aggregation is only a problem because it &#039;deprives&#039; the media outlet of the opportunity to collect money from advertising. To my mind that&#039;s a much simpler and less esoteric problem to solve.

In practice, Google&#039;s practices mean potentially more eyeballs see the journalist&#039;s work. Surely there&#039;s some way to capitalise on that. iTunes changed the business model for music. the iPhone App Store is changing the business model for software. There are other examples that a biased Apple fanboy like me will no doubt be able to point out.

The point is, the opportunity for journalists to have their work seen, read and appreciated by mass or targeted audiences has never been greater. Only good can come of that. Those who suffer will be the people who built an empire on controlling the work of others (a la music labels).

We are in that messy transition period where everyone is still working out the rules, but the debate seems to have moved on even from a few months ago. That&#039;s encouraging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post <img src='http://importanceofideas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that so many people describe Google as a media company, including yourself. On the face of it, they appear to be and yet their executives have always said and continue to say that they are not and do not want to be a media company.</p>
<p>Rather than bicker about whether they are or not however, it might be useful to ask the question &#8216;what is media today?&#8217;</p>
<p>Google, in their eyes, are a technology company. Their mission is to organise the world&#8217;s information and they&#8217;re scarily good at it. In the world of search, people love having their content picked up by Google. Some people&#8217;s entire livelihood depends on it.</p>
<p>I think the bigger trend/problem here is the decoupling of advertising as the main business model of journalism. Google&#8217;s news aggregation is only a problem because it &#8216;deprives&#8217; the media outlet of the opportunity to collect money from advertising. To my mind that&#8217;s a much simpler and less esoteric problem to solve.</p>
<p>In practice, Google&#8217;s practices mean potentially more eyeballs see the journalist&#8217;s work. Surely there&#8217;s some way to capitalise on that. iTunes changed the business model for music. the iPhone App Store is changing the business model for software. There are other examples that a biased Apple fanboy like me will no doubt be able to point out.</p>
<p>The point is, the opportunity for journalists to have their work seen, read and appreciated by mass or targeted audiences has never been greater. Only good can come of that. Those who suffer will be the people who built an empire on controlling the work of others (a la music labels).</p>
<p>We are in that messy transition period where everyone is still working out the rules, but the debate seems to have moved on even from a few months ago. That&#8217;s encouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: SpamDivides</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpamDivides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What to say?  Nice, well-written piece that covered many topics well thought out.  I enjoyed reading it.

I don&#039;t completely agree.  I guess my major beefs with your thoughts on the future of journalism is that it casts blame of the decline of traditional media on the rise of the internet.

Newspapers have been in decline since - since, TV?  Before? Was The Australian EVER profitable?  

I&#039;ve been told television news has never been profitable (in this country) and simply existed because 
the various free-to-air channels thought it added prestige to their brand.

I&#039;m all for resourced quality media that is willing to speak truth to power - however, I don&#039;t see any need to prop up failed businesses.  I also suspect one or two of your heroes (and some other names I can think of) have contributed to journalism substantially without any promise of pay.

I guess I don&#039;t have any answers.  Long live the ABC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What to say?  Nice, well-written piece that covered many topics well thought out.  I enjoyed reading it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t completely agree.  I guess my major beefs with your thoughts on the future of journalism is that it casts blame of the decline of traditional media on the rise of the internet.</p>
<p>Newspapers have been in decline since &#8211; since, TV?  Before? Was The Australian EVER profitable?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been told television news has never been profitable (in this country) and simply existed because<br />
the various free-to-air channels thought it added prestige to their brand.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for resourced quality media that is willing to speak truth to power &#8211; however, I don&#8217;t see any need to prop up failed businesses.  I also suspect one or two of your heroes (and some other names I can think of) have contributed to journalism substantially without any promise of pay.</p>
<p>I guess I don&#8217;t have any answers.  Long live the ABC?</p>
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